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目标片段我刚才说现代美国左派女权，她们拒绝男女平权，她们不认为男女平权应该是女权主义的诉求。原因之一是，她们拒绝了自由主义一整个思想体系，她们拒绝了自由主义中的人权这个概念。因为自由主义认为人权是与生俱来的，人权是天然的，人权，是政府无法剥夺的。但是当代美国左派女权，她们站在后现代法兰克福学派这个视角，她们完全继承了这个视角的观念，她们拒绝承认人权是天然存在的。
来源片段thing, you can see this sort of libertarian ideology is playing a similar role there in that you can easily imagine a construction of libertarian ideology that's very pro-feminists, say, individual rights and all that. But I think you can't look at political ideologies as just what they ought to be or what you would like them to be, you have to look at them as they are and as they have been. And this sort of libertarian language is in this period being used to express what you call anti feminist concerns, not in that I want to be as a woman left alone to pursue my
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self interest, and that this entire thing is like a politically correct myth cooked up by the media that the Republican Party has never been able to counter. That seems to me an obviously preposterous conclusion. And so I don't know what the punchline is supposed to be, that black people have just been getting it wrong politically for a generation. Like is that what we're arguing here? Well, I mean, that is one way of looking at it. And if I sincerely thought the Republican Party was trying to appeal to African Americans by rebranding itself, retelling its history, that
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她们甚至可能会放弃工作，甚至放弃读大学，就是要回到传统妻子角色，这仅仅是愚昧吗？我不认为，而且仅仅用愚昧就来概括，并打发你不认同的视角，并不是理解这个视角的方式，反而是陷入立场对立的狂热盲性之中，这是一个反制的心态。这期播客的意图就是要穿透左派女权和右派女权在美国社会的诉求分别是什么？作为一个在美国很多年的美国政治深度观察者，这期播客我要来描绘一下左派进步女权和右派保守女权，
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Loving versus Virginia. I think these are all in the 60s, I don't have it in front of me. But like mid to late 60s, all of these were explicitly countermajoritaria. I saw some polling to the effect that 72% of white voters were strongly opposed to Loving versus Virginia, which is the ruling that legalized interracial marriage. And I think similar, it was like high 50s, low 60s for Brown versus the Board, but it wasn't it wasn't close. And the idea that someone
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我觉得绝大多数中国人心中的女权主义很像是50年前在美国流行的女权主义，这就导致了我每次跟我博岛聊天的时候就很有共鸣。我觉得他描绘的这种女权主义，反而就是我们在国内非常接近的女权运动。现在2024年，美国左派女权已经更加面目全非了。但是让我先跟大家描绘一下50年前的美国女权运动是怎么样的？我跟我的博岛经常吃饭，我的博岛现在已经70多岁了。
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And that wasn't and it takes two to tango, right? That's a stupid phrase. But like, there had to be those feelings for politicians to exploit, but also there had to be the politicians to give ideological expression and to legitimize and to structure and to organize around those feelings. Absolutely. Absolutely true. So let's move through to the final part before we get to today, which is religion. Because if there ever there's a group in America who feels like some sort of identity is going to be taken away from them, it would be white Protestant Christians,
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我觉得这一期播客有两个目的，第一个目的是就跟大家介绍清楚，美国主流左派女权和美国主流右派女权究竟在搞什么花样？我认为他们的政治目的政治诉求，还有立场应该跟在国内对于女权主义的理解有很大的不同。第二个目的就是借最后这个故事。我想说，立场本身是一种偏见，人不可能没有偏见。我们生下来一定会带着一些偏见。但是有一些偏见会让我们对于和我们不同的立场充满了道德审判在真正存在的压迫上，道德审判是很重要的。