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目标片段同时,她也和许多孩子一样,对于物质刺激充满了兴趣。
来源片段She's also, like many young children, kind of obsessed with objects.

相似度 0.823 · old_school_shilo_brooks · ‘Lolita,’ Jeffrey Epstein, and the Real Meaning of a Challenging Classic · 目标 18:43–18:48 · 来源 11:46–11:51

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  1. S1来源 1:10–1:33目标 5:55–6:140.647

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    And the illicit relationship described is often glamorized in a way that I think would shock the author. So today, I wanted to do a deep dive on Lolita about this novel, which is fundamentally about a homicidal pedophile rapist and how that has come to occupy such a prominent place in American culture.

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    罗莉出自洛莉塔这本书讨论的就是一位恋童癖杀人犯的故事,也是爱波斯坦最喜爱的一本书。所以洛莉塔把这个问题推到了极致一部作品的实际影响和作者的创作意图之间,究竟应该如何权衡?

  2. S1来源 1:41–2:14目标 6:59–7:300.721

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    Where do we find the narrator and protagonist of this book, Humbert Humbert? Well, as the book starts, we find the narrator, Humbert Humbert, dead. The book is presented to us as a document that he wrote in prison. After he passed away, he gives it to somebody who gives it to a relative who's a kind of psychologist. And this man at the beginning, John Ray Jr. , as his name says, this document was written by a man named Humbert Humbert who's in jail. This document details his relationship with this young girl Lolita.

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    换句话说,这是一部死者的忏悔录。听到这里,你是不是又想到了那个男人卢梭的忏悔录开启的一系列现代文学缺德的趋势。OK无论如何,这本手稿的流转路径同样耐人寻味。他在亨伯特亨伯特死后被转交整理,最终由一位有心理学背景的编辑者约翰雷加以引言,并且出版这个编辑告诉我们,读者以下文本来自一位囚犯内容涉及一段极端异常,甚至在法律和道德上都无法容忍的关系。

  3. S1来源 2:20–2:37目标 8:15–8:260.669

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    At the very beginning of the novel, we see a kind of glimpse of him engaged as a 12 or 13 year old boy with a young girl named Annabelle. And the novel presents his first sexual experience with this young girl, Annabelle.

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    接下来叙述者将我们带回他的童年。亨伯特亨伯特讲述自己在十二三岁的时候和一个叫做安娜贝尔的少女之间的关系,这段关系带有明显的性意味。

  4. S1来源 3:44–4:17目标 9:59–10:300.679

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    And then we set off. So that's how the novel begins. And by twists and turns, Humbert comes to a town in which Lolita's mother Charlotte lives. And Charlotte's husband is dead. And Humbert wants to be a border at their home. And he goes to the home and he's like, man, this woman, it sucks. This town kind of sucks. And then he sees Lolita in a garden. And he's like, okay, she has a 12 year old daughter. Don't mind if I do live here. And that's how the whole thing begins.

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    在经历了一系列看似偶然的转折之后,亨伯特亨伯特来到了一个小镇,住在一个寡妇家中。一开始他对这里的一切充满厌倦。这个女人庸俗,这个小镇乏味,这一切都毫无吸引力。但是他在花园中看见了那个女孩,罗里塔一切都在这里改变,在那个瞬间改变,他立刻改变了决定。不是因为房子,不是因为环境,不是因为小镇不是因为寡妇,因为这个12岁的女孩,也就是说整个故事不是自然展开,而是在那一瞬间被欲望启动。

  5. S1来源 4:55–5:09目标 11:47–11:550.613

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    And so he says throughout the novel with Annabelle, as you just mentioned, with his own mother and with Lolita, I've had some issues with women, you know, for a long time. Throughout the book, there's this question about how to trust Humbert Humbert as the narrator.

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    于是,在安娜贝尔,母亲和洛丽塔之间隐约形成了一条模糊的感情链条。她自己也反复暗示我和女人的关系。

  6. S1来源 5:09–5:24目标 12:09–12:210.622

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    And the faux word is not by Humbert Humbert, it's by this other fictional character who is his lawyer's cousin, I believe. And, you know, one thing that is signaled is sort of a warning for the reader to be vigilant.

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    小说,在结构上已经对读者进行了警告。整部作品不是亨伯特,亨伯特直接说给我们听的,她经过了另外一个声音的过滤,就是那个写序的心理专家。

  7. S1:4 个窗口回退
    1. S1来源 8:09–8:45目标 14:57–15:310.724

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      And so I think Nabokov is interested in exploring, like any great artist, the full range of human psychic possibility. That is to say in all of its goodness and all of its evil. You can see this today in our fascination with true crime novels. People want that forbidden stuff. They want to see people bleed. They want to see people murder. They want to kind of get into the head of such a person. Well, Nabokov does that here with arguably that crime, which is the most severe, which is arguably even more than murder, which is pedophilia. And so I think that the genius of Nabokov is that sometimes he makes you despise and you should despise Humbert. But at other times you start to question yourself. And what that does is it makes you wonder about your own sanity.

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      他和洛丽塔这部小说中制造的阅读体验,在结构上是高度相似的。现代人为什么沉迷这些故事?因为他们触碰禁忌啊,因为暴力谋杀血腥,还有种种我们在日常生活中必须压制的那些冲动和欲望,这是我们迷恋他们的原因。我们想看的不仅仅是发生了什么,而是那样的人究竟在想什么?纳伯科夫在洛丽塔这本小说中做的事,就是把读者带到这样一个人的意识中,他选择的是一个最极端、最糟糕的对象。

    2. S1来源 8:25–9:03目标 15:14–15:450.719

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      They want to kind of get into the head of such a person. Well, Nabokov does that here with arguably that crime, which is the most severe, which is arguably even more than murder, which is pedophilia. And so I think that the genius of Nabokov is that sometimes he makes you despise and you should despise Humbert. But at other times you start to question yourself. And what that does is it makes you wonder about your own sanity. And so he begins to teach you in this way. This was something that stood out to me is that he is objectively monstrous, right? He's a narcissist. He's a murderer. He's a rapist. He's a pedophile. He manipulates everyone around him to get access to this 12-year-old child.

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      因为他们触碰禁忌啊,因为暴力谋杀血腥,还有种种我们在日常生活中必须压制的那些冲动和欲望,这是我们迷恋他们的原因。我们想看的不仅仅是发生了什么,而是那样的人究竟在想什么?纳伯科夫在洛丽塔这本小说中做的事,就是把读者带到这样一个人的意识中,他选择的是一个最极端、最糟糕的对象。一个恋童癖,恋童癖在某种意义上比谋杀,更难被道德消化。因为它不是一瞬间的暴力,它是一种持续性的结构性的侵害。一方面它让你清楚的知道恒伯特恒伯特是一个怪物,他自恋操控暴力,他杀人犯。

    3. S1来源 8:41–9:14目标 15:43–16:160.729

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      But at other times you start to question yourself. And what that does is it makes you wonder about your own sanity. And so he begins to teach you in this way. This was something that stood out to me is that he is objectively monstrous, right? He's a narcissist. He's a murderer. He's a rapist. He's a pedophile. He manipulates everyone around him to get access to this 12-year-old child. And still, I think a lot of people read him as a compelling character. Why do you think it is that he reads as compelling as he does?

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      一方面它让你清楚的知道恒伯特恒伯特是一个怪物,他自恋操控暴力,他杀人犯。但是另外一方面,他又不断动摇你的判断,你会在阅读过程中突然意识到自己居然能够跟上这样一个恋童癖杀人犯的思路。你甚至在语言层面被他说服了。问题是我为什么会被他说动?这是他的问题还是我的问题?为什么这样一个在道德上如此不可接受的人物,对读者具有如此强的吸引力,一方面是外在形象的建构,

    4. S1来源 9:42–10:15目标 16:14–16:470.709

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      But that's fascinating. I mean, that he's kind of this standard type. The way Humbert Humbert speaks, he's very intelligent. He's a literary scholar. He's a sort of literature professor. And so he's well read. He's sophisticated. He's constantly making literary references in the Boakhoff's beautiful vocabulary. I mean, Humbert comes to life as this charismatic, well spoken gentleman of a man who has this dark sin. And I think anytime you encounter a character like that who's so far from the ordinary, who is charismatic at the same time that he's terrifying, it makes you sit up.

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      为什么这样一个在道德上如此不可接受的人物,对读者具有如此强的吸引力,一方面是外在形象的建构,亨伯特被塑造成一个极具魅力的男性类型。他高大、英俊自信,甚至带有一种自我欣赏的自恋气质。他不断强调自己的吸引力,仿佛在为自己提前争取某种理解的空间。第二是智识和语言。那么亨伯特不仅是一个叙述者,他是一个擅长文字修辞的操控者。我们知道从一开始知道他博览群书谈吐、优雅、信口拈来各种典故。

  8. S1来源 11:04–11:22目标 17:52–18:070.718

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    This means that the only access that we have to Dolores, or as I'll call her given with the title of the book Lolita, is through Humbert's eyes. So we already can't say that we have an accurate reflection of this young girl because we know the person from whom we're getting the information is a pedophilic psychopath.

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    那我们如何理解这个女孩,我们如何理解多洛雷斯这个人物就困难在于,这是一部用第一人称叙述讲述的小说,我们所看到的一切都是通过亨伯特亨伯特的视角呈现出来的。

  9. S1来源 11:22–11:29目标 18:17–18:370.649

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    That said, what we do know about her is that she's 12 years old. It's that she's not very good in school.

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    我们看到的不是真实的她,而是被男主角不断塑形扭曲之后的她,尽管如此,文本仍然提供了一些相对确定的事实。首先,这个女孩只有12岁,她的学业表现一般,她和母亲关系紧张,生活习惯也不精致。

  10. S1来源 11:41–11:46目标 18:37–18:430.755

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    Her interests are in Hollywood starlets, in acting, in the theater, and in music.

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    她沉迷于流行文化,尤其是好莱坞明星,她对戏剧表演和音乐抱有兴趣。

  11. S1:4 个窗口回退
    1. S1来源 14:26–15:00目标 18:59–19:310.756

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      Her mother is out of the house and fully clothed, for lack of a better term, manages to get himself off underneath his clothing by the fact that her legs are on his lap. He sort of moves around in such a way. This is not her seduction. She's not seducing him at all. She's just being a very innocent child with a trusting adult. So at every moment, Humbert is the one in control. Now, it is true that at one point in the novel, she does sexually awaken. So as you described, her mother dies in the course of the novel. It's very interesting the way her mother dies.

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      这些特征告诉我们,多洛雷斯是一个相对普通略有叛逆的美国少女小说中有一幕在母亲不在家的情况下,女孩天真的把双腿搭在亨伯特的膝盖上。这个行为在儿童语境中是完全无辜的,是信任的体现。但是在亨伯特那里,她被转化成了一次隐蔽的性行为,这一刻具有决定性的意义,对吧?她没有在诱惑她,女孩没有在诱惑她,而是男人在利用她的无知。因此这个关系从一开始就是关系不对等的侵犯,不是任何形式的相互吸引。随着情节的发展,我们看到多洛雷斯的世界是如何一步步被摧毁的。

    2. S1来源 14:54–15:28目标 19:44–20:150.704

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      So as you described, her mother dies in the course of the novel. It's very interesting the way her mother dies. Humbert is found out. Her mother comes to see that the reason that Humbert is in her home is that Humbert is interested in her 12-year-old daughter. Her mother is horrified by this fact, even more horrified because Humbert has married Lolita's mother to get access to the young girl. I mean, imagine how horrible this is. So her mother begins to write these letters, exposing him. She picks up the letters. She takes the letters to the mailbox outside, and she's hit by a car.

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      其次,她的母亲发现了亨伯特的真实意图。她的母亲意识到她娶自己仅仅是为了接受接近她年幼的女儿。这个瞬间实际上是她的母亲准备写信去揭发她的这个时刻。然而,一场意外发生,她的母亲在外出邮寄揭发信件的时候,遭遇车祸身亡。这个偶然事件带来了一个极其可怕的结果。唯一能够揭露真相的人,消失了。亨伯特顺利的接管了这个女孩。

    3. S1来源 16:27–17:02目标 22:12–22:460.688

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      I mean, this is, you know, you have to be, the details are very difficult here, but when they're on the road, the first night they sleep in a hotel called something like the Enchanted Hunter or something like that. It seems as though they're in the same bed together, and she kind of comes after him. But we should be clear that, I mean, he has purchased sleeping pills so that he can drug her, so that he can, when he was married to her mother and her mother was alive, so that he could drug her mother and her both so he could get them both to sleep so he could rape the daughter. And then in the hotel, he gives her pills at a diner, takes her back to the hotel and tries to do things to her.

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      亨伯特带着多罗雷雷斯踏上流浪,横跨美国的公路旅行之后,小说进入了一个非常著名的场景。他们在第一晚住进了一家名为被施咒的猎人的旅馆,这个名字本身就充满了寓意。他一方面,像童话,另外一方面却暗示了诱骗和捕猎。无论叙述者如何修饰,那一晚都不是什么暧昧的开端,也不是任何意义上的相互吸引。因为在文本中,我们都知道,在此之前,亨伯特已经准备好安眠药,甚至早在罗里塔的妈妈还活着的时候,他就设想过通过下药,让母女昏睡,以便自己实施侵犯。

    4. S1来源 18:40–19:20目标 24:29–25:000.667

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      This is made all the more interesting by the fact that they do stop in a town to live for a few years, it's called Beardsley. And in that town, he notices that there's a playwright who has written a play for the school that Lolita attends. And that play features a young girl who's kind of a temptress of a young girl. And Lolita is set to play the lead role. And so he wonders who is this playwright. And she meets him and you know all this sort of thing. But it turns out long story short that they take off again and he notices this car following them. And what has happened is that the guy that saw them at the Enchanted Huntress Hotel all those now years ago has been keeping eyes on them, even writing a play about her.

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      但是在某一刻,他也被观看,他也被注视,他,也被跟踪被识破。在纳伯科夫在这里设置了一个镜像,掠实者也进入了别人的视线。后来他们在一个小镇短暂定居在这个阶段,小说似乎放慢了节奏,实际上危险在继续积累多罗雷斯进入学校生活,接触戏剧和表演。一位剧作家的出现,为后文埋下了伏笔。后面我们知道这个始终若隐若现的人,是一个叫做克莱尔奎尔蒂的人,这个人物不是男主角的道德对立面,

  12. S1来源 19:32–19:48目标 25:21–25:330.680

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    And Humbert catches whatever she's got, I don't know if it's the flu, I don't know, it's really terrible, but he goes back to his hotel room. And he wakes up by the time he's able to move out of bed to go check on her at the hospital, he gets to the hospital and the nurse tells him her uncle came and got her.

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    有一次他高烧不退,被送往医院,亨伯特自己也病倒了,等他终于赶过医院的时候,护士告诉他他已经被叔叔接走了。这里的叔叔当然是假的,他没有叔叔。

  13. S1来源 20:38–20:44目标 26:18–26:290.602

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    He's young, working class guy. And at this point she's around 17 and she gets pregnant.

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    几年之后,小说进入一场真正意义上的重逢。多罗雷斯这个时候已经17岁怀有身孕,嫁给了一个年轻的工人阶级男人生活结局。

  14. S1来源 22:58–23:09目标 27:00–27:110.605

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    And he sort of describes her as such as being like a little bit haggard. And yet he still professes his love for her, despite her no longer being a nymphet.

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    他以一个真实具体受伤的女人形象出现在他面前。亨伯特虽然意识到多罗雷斯已经不再是那个罗丽塔,但仍然声称自己爱他。

  15. S1来源 24:41–25:20目标 29:44–30:150.681

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    Well, in this case, it's a bridge too far, but Nabokov put your feet to the fire on that. So Nabokov in interviews had described Humbert Humbert as a vain and cruel wretch who manages to appear touching. And we spoke briefly at why he put him behind the steering wheel as the narrator, despite him being unreliable. And I think critics would ask, can you have a book that is anti-petafile and also narrated by a pedophile? I think that tension and question in and of itself has led to so many people having like, or so many people feeling offended by this book.

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    这个小说的伦理张力不是善恶对立,而是一种更加令人不安的恶和深情的交织。在文学史上,有一个在当代文学评论中,有一个被反复讨论的话题是,为什么纳伯科夫要让亨伯特亨伯特这样的一个人物来作为讲述者,一部在内容上涉及严重罪行的作品,为什么要选择这个罪行的实施者,作为唯一的叙述视角。当然,很多读者为此感到不适,甚至愤怒。

  16. S1来源 27:57–28:14目标 31:09–31:290.675

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    He finds the book not only admirable from the literary point of view, but he thinks that it might lead to change in social attitudes towards the kind of love described in Lolita. So clearly this publisher read it more as a vindication versus a condemnation.

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    他明确表示,他不认为自己的写作任务是提供道德评判,他拒绝扮演道德警察的角色,他做的是构造一个情景,将读者置于其中,让读者自己去体验判断,并且承担判断的后果。这一立场在现代文学中并不罕见,但是在洛丽塔中,他被推向了极端。

  17. S1来源 42:43–43:17目标 34:59–35:320.760

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    And I think if you go in with that mindset, you can learn a lot from this. Also, as we briefly touched on, art is not necessarily meant to be moral or model ethical behavior, but more so about evoking feelings. I think the book certainly does that. Why do you think specifically it is a masterpiece and has entered the American canon? Well, Nabokov interestingly was asked about this book later in his life, and he was given every opportunity to disavow it and he never did. He said, you mentioned it's a masterpiece that among his writings, it's perhaps his favorite or one that he certainly regards highly.

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    你想要抄写它的经句,你在某些段落中感到一种纯粹的审美愉悦。与此同时,你又清楚地知道这种愉悦依附的内容是在道德上不可接受的。一方面你在审美上投入其中,另外一方面你在伦理上不断后退,就事实就是这本书的散文写得非常漂亮。那我们可以在文学上退一步问一个一般性的问题,文学是否可以通过形式来改变我们对内容的判断。纳伯科夫的高明之处就在于他没有让这种转化彻底完成。